Goalkeeping Coach

SC seems to like to have specialist coaching, as indicated by having an in possession coach and an out of possession coach. I hope SC will see the need to get in a dedicated goalkeeping coach this season.

In fact Im going to make a prediction, he/the club will appoint a goalkeeping coach.
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  • I didnt think Adrian Tucker left for Brighton, so he's still in place, isn't he?
  • I heard Potter had sacked him
  • Well if he”s still here, bang goes that prediction!

    So Javier Garcia, who I rated has gone, but Adrian Tucker was back last season, is that right?
  • Well if he”s still here, bang goes that prediction!

    So Javier Garcia, who I rated has gone, but Adrian Tucker was back last season, is that right?
    We had Tony Roberts for 5 years after Javier
    Javier worked under Garry Monk and was highly rated, but after one season, he went back to Spain and was keeper coach at Saville, then PSG and now Arsenal, lovely fella
  • How does that work I thought Javier only arrived here in 2014?
  • Javier worked under Laudrup before leaving for "family reasons" when Monk took over from the King of Denmark.

    incredible coach. best we've had in that position.
  • Pep Clotet's best mate, Javier was here but the call of Spain was too much, plus his wife had just had their first child and both were a little homesick, her more than him, she needed her mam
    Mark_Jack_London
  • Tucker wasn’t at the last game of the season at Blackburn
  • Well perhaps my prediction is still on!
  • according to his Twitter profile and his website he is still the Swansea goalkeeping coach.

    https://twitter.com/tucks_gkcoach?lang=en

    http://adriantuckercoaching.com/?page_id=14
  • We have to change our approach to goalkeeping at set pieces, so I am a bit underwhelmed that we are seeing continuity in the GK coaching role. Actually in open play last year we defended very well, and I always felt that we were well organised (Grimes was a big part of that structure). However, we were needing to score twice to win a game and often 3 or 4 due to the charitable nature of our set piece defending.
    Make no mistake the championship will find you out if you have a weakness, and we need a goalkeeper who claims or punches anything in the 6 yard box.
    ColinNorthampton
  • Jackareme said:
    We have to change our approach to goalkeeping at set pieces, so I am a bit underwhelmed that we are seeing continuity in the GK coaching role. Actually in open play last year we defended very well, and I always felt that we were well organised (Grimes was a big part of that structure). However, we were needing to score twice to win a game and often 3 or 4 due to the charitable nature of our set piece defending.
    Make no mistake the championship will find you out if you have a weakness, and we need a goalkeeper who claims or punches anything in the 6 yard box.
    nobody has convinced me that we dont have keepers who can do that.

    I think a lot of the issues we saw were tactical, because I dont believe that the keepers couldnt have improved their skills in that respect, during the course of the season.
    Colin_swansea
  • It will be interesting to see what Cooper & Marsh make of our keepers. 
    And what happens ongoing. 
  • @Mark_Jack_London @Jackareme I have to agree with Jackareme. I have seen enough to demonstrate they can’t control their 6 yard area. On the highlight reel produced by the club, which is going to be the best examples of goalkeeping, show only one cross being caught. Are you really suggesting either there was only one catchable cross, or our keepers kept to a tactical doctrine of not catching the ball except on this one occaision.

    I know of no tactical doctrine that suggests goalkeepers shouldnt control their area. It is true to say our defending of set pieces were extraordinarily poor, and the rest of the defense was very poorily organised.

    A simple example corners are becoming a very poor method of creating opportunities, except apparently against us. We were the worst defending team for set pieces in the league worse than all the teams who were relegated.

    Our Keepers bear a large share of responsibilty for that outcome, and not accepting it dooms us to keep suffering the same outcome.
  • Joe Hart is currently 3rd choice keeper at Burnley. Stoke trying to get him to replace Butland when he leaves. Wages probably too high for our aims at the mo
  • We need a keeper who is comfortable on the ball Nordfeldt 8 out of 10 but also commanding in the 6 yard box Nordfeldt 2 out of 10 from my assessment (scared and unable to time his jump). By contrast what I saw of Mulder is 6 out of 10 for footballing skills and 6 out of 10 for command - nervous to leave his line but reasonably effective when he does.
    Not sure if other posters see it the same - but I would start Mulder (marginally) and might be open to offers for KN if we were asked - he must be on a decent wedge.
    Gingergit
  • Whilst I have been critical of both keepers, its worth saying they are both good keepers but with similar weaknesses.

    When it comes to diving and reaction time, i believe they are both about 7/8 out of 10, basic handling Mulder is slightly better but no morethan about 6/10 , whereas Nordfedlt is better at positioning at about 7/10.

    Its about jumping ability and command of their area where they both score about 3/10. 

    Basically they arent bad keepers but they both are poor in the same area  despite being 6ft 3/4ins . I dont believe we should Change the keepers  unless they cant improve in these areas, surely during preseason this has to be a focus, as do corners as we are particularly vunerable to inswinging corners and particularly targeted to the front post.
  • ...also can we make sure any up and coming u23 goalkeepers are well versed in these skills as well.
  • Whilst I have been critical of both keepers, its worth saying they are both good keepers but with similar weaknesses.

    When it comes to diving and reaction time, i believe they are both about 7/8 out of 10, basic handling Mulder is slightly better but no morethan about 6/10 , whereas Nordfedlt is better at positioning at about 7/10.

    Its about jumping ability and command of their area where they both score about 3/10. 

    Basically they arent bad keepers but they both are poor in the same area  despite being 6ft 3/4ins . I dont believe we should Change the keepers  unless they cant improve in these areas, surely during preseason this has to be a focus, as do corners as we are particularly vunerable to inswinging corners and particularly targeted to the front post.
    https://fbref.com/en/comps/10/keepers/Championship-Stats

    A more objective set of ratings puts Mulder at 7.26/10 for stopping shots and Nordfeldt at 5.92. There's a big gulf between them there, genuinely one of the best in the division against on of the worst. No player with a worse save % than Nordfeldt played nearly as many games.
  • @jasper_T Thanks for the stats, useful set of metrics, so Mulder was ranked 21 and Nordfeldt ranked 24, so very similar overall, with Mulder just ahead. that sounds fair and in line with what Ive seen. Ideally you need a keeper up in the top 5.

    To be fair a lot of these stats are about the defence as well. The shots ‘saved’ includes shots blocked by defenders as well, so if you want a shot on target saved by the keeper, these would need eliminating.
  • The default sort order is appearances. They're not 21st and 24th in performance.

    There's a reason Mulder has appeared in some analysts teams of the season while no one outside a strange core of Swansea fans considers Nordfeldt even a "decent shot stopper" (which he's objectively not) as is the usual 'damning with faint praise' compliment given to poor goalkeepers.
  • @jasper_T So which stat are you using, as the save %age isnt about the goalkeeper its about the whole defence?
  • One aspect of Mulder's play that has always puzzled me, from when he appeared from the subs bench v Preston in the opening home match of the season, was how his game changed after about 6/7 matches when he stopped coming off his line to gather crosses, preferring to stay rooted on his line and let his defenders challenge aerial battles. It was as if Potter had instructed Mulder to stay on his line, as Nordfeldt does. Strange.
    Jackaremedeekay
  • @Colin_swansea perhaps we will see a change for next season then. Lets hope.
  • As I have consistently been saying on here for quite some time now. This is not wholly down to the keepers. I will continue to state that there was tactical reasons why they were not coming for balls.

    Now whether that was because the manager didn't believe in their ability to come for balls - quite a remarkable if that is the case, mind you. Or it was more a defensive, tactical plan. Either way, it sucked.

    Tucker is a hugely qualified coach, and as such, that is what I would expected for him  to have concentrated on. 

  • @Mark_Jack_London The sad thing was none of our other players were going for the balls either.

     :'( 
  • Indeed. it was quite shocking and the biggest flaw in Potter's tenure as coach.

    He'll have to have a better solution at Brighton as he will come unstuck very quickly.

    His first set of fixtures are a decent start on paper: Watford, West Ham, Southampton, Citeh and Burnley as first 5 games.

    If any sides can exploit such a set-piece weakeness, a Deeney led front line, and the directness of Dyche will surely test his tactical acumen.


  • Yes an interesting set of fixtures, Watford and Burnley will be a big test of whether he has learnt from our season. i expect his team to perform well against Soton and Citeh, even if they dont win. The West Ham fixture will be a bit of an unknown depending on the West Ham who turn up.
  • Mr G. Potter.  
    I’m starting to think he’s done us a big favour, by buggering off to The Mighty Brighton Hove Albion, when he did. 

    When you start to analyse his short tenure, how many positives, and how many negatives were they ?

    You could say he brought on the youngsters. 
    Look at Daniel James, I hear you say. 

    I’d say, look at the good foresight in bringing him here, I think for £74,000 in the first place, and the good coaching Toshack & Richards put in, nurturing his obvious talent. 
    Same could be said for Rodon, Roberts and Byers

    Granted, his work on Grimes has been genius. Player of the year. 

    Then there’s His inability to coach the defending of corners/set pieces. 

    We have the worst stats in the league for conceding goals from them. 
    Zonal marking, least said }~:

    His scouting set up, that brought us Asorry  and McFly. 
    It will be interesting watching from afar, the talent they bring to the Premiership. 

    How many games did you watch, in which we were great/good for 45mins, but couldn’t do it for the 90?
    Giving winning positions away. 
    The Forest away game springs to mind. 
    One up with 10 mins to go, dominating most of the play. Loose 2-1

    His ability to “bring on” youngsters, and build a team, as with Ostersund is well documented, but that took him 8 years. 

    But you can’t say he did the same with us, because he was only passing through for one year. 
    All the hard work with the youngsters, had already been done for him. 

    So onwards and upwards, and Mr Cooper is in port, to be the next Captain to sale the good ship HMS Swansea City fc, through the next patch of stormy waters. 
    Good luck! And all who sail on her.....
    Hip Hip.........
  • don't agree there.

    he did a good job under very difficult circumstances, with what was effectively an U23 team.

    And he did it in one of the most difficult Leagues.

    He had not managed in this League, or consistently at this level. 

    Yes he made mistakes. He admitted so. But he learned a huge amount, as well as his charges did.

    The big question really is, did he move too soon, before he'd learned enough. Because he won't be given the same kind of time and patience in the Premier League as he was with us last season.
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