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  • Cadleigh i was referring to the reply you gave to  Stephenpete when he was on about the current board from 2016 till present which you kindly named .... nothing before that so why bring that up we know the club was run well till after Laudrup ..
  • Curtis was brought back into the fold by Potter not the Board.
  • edited August 2019
    chatz said:

    Are you saying we now have a plan AA and a plan BB 
    I like that. Yes, If plan AA isn't working well, we can always change to plan BB or plan SS.
  • Curtis was brought back into the fold by Potter not the Board.
    So do you think the board had no say in whether he was appointed honorary club president? Just something Potter mentioned casually to the board one day?

  • enaitch said:
    Cadleigh i was referring to the reply you gave to  Stephenpete when he was on about the current board from 2016 till present which you kindly named .... nothing before that so why bring that up we know the club was run well till after Laudrup ..
    I was putting the post-2016 appointments in context. On paper Bradley is not very different from Potter, Guidolin and Carvalhal not very different from Bielsa and Laudrup, Clement in a similar mould to Rodgers and Sousa, Cooper very similar to Martinez and Monk. 

    With hindsight, many of those appointments failed, sometimes after a run of success (a long run, in Monk’s case). But there was no sea change in 2016 in our philosophy of what makes a good manager. 
  • Bielsa has never managed us so can’t really compare our ex managers to him . It would be nice if the win % of the managers before and after 2016 could be dug up as stats rarely lie 
  • Pre 2016
    Cusack 25%
    Flynn 34.15%
    Jackett 44.23%
    Martinez 50%
    Sousa 36.73%
    Rodgers 44.79%
    Laudrup 34.52%
    Monk 36.36%

    2016 onwards
    Guidolin 36%
    Bradley 18.18%
    Clement 32.43%
    Carvalhal 33.33%
    Potter 41.18%
    Cooper 100%

    Average win rate pre-2016 = 38.2%
    Average win rate post-2016 = 43.52%

    :)


    rob_henaitchcimlajack
  • Cadleigh said:
    Pre 2016
    Cusack 25%
    Flynn 34.15%
    Jackett 44.23%
    Martinez 50%
    Sousa 36.73%
    Rodgers 44.79%
    Laudrup 34.52%
    Monk 36.36%

    2016 onwards
    Guidolin 36%
    Bradley 18.18%
    Clement 32.43%
    Carvalhal 33.33%
    Potter 41.18%
    Cooper 100%

    Average win rate pre-2016 = 38.2%
    Average win rate post-2016 = 43.52%

    :)


    Are these percentages for league only, or total games(league and cup). Thanks
  • It's all competitive matches, Colin.
  • @cadleigh A little bit naughty, I believe you need to balance the %ages.  Cusacks 8 matches and 25% does not equate to Jackett’s 156 matches and 44%, or all the post 2016 managers with low numbers of matches.


    Post 2016 there were about 151 matches at a win rate of 33.97%, so that’s a fair comparison with Jackett’s 156 matches and over 40% win rate or Roberto’s 126 matches and 50% win rate but slightly less so with Brendon’s 96 matches and 44% win rate.

     B) 
    Cadleigh
  • Actually the full list looks like this:

    Cusack 25%

    Flynn 34.15%

    Curtis 25%

    Jackett 44.23%

    Nugent 0%

    Martinez 50%

    Sousa 36.73%

    Rodgers 44.79%

    Laudrup 34.52%

    Monk 36.36%

    Curtis 25%

    (32.34%)

     

    Guidolin 36%

    Bradley 18.18%

    Curtis 50%

    Clement 32.43%

    Britton 0%

    Carvalhal 33.33%

    Potter 41.18%

    Cooper 100%

    (38.89%)


    SpringheeledJack
  • Somewhat surprisingly, Flynn to the end of 2015 =

    685 games

    242 wins

    win percentage 35.39%

     

    2016 to the present =

    155 games

    55 wins

    win percentage 35.48%


  • You can’t compare 600+ matches pre 2016, with 151 matches post 2016 and average the %ages. 


    enaitch
  • You could also add from Cusack to 2016 we had 3 promotions and 3 trophy’s since 2016 we’ve had 1 relegation so far ....and debt
    SpringheeledJack
  • Sorry 4 trophy’s I forgot the belated league one champions  :D
  • You can’t compare 600+ matches pre 2016, with 151 matches post 2016 and average the %ages. 


    Enaitch asked me to dig out the pre and post 2016 stats. That’s what I have done - no spin, and quite a lot of my time. 

    All you have have done is pick holes so I am going to hand it over to you now to come up with a methodology that you and enaitch are happy with. 

    FFS
    enaitch
  • Interesting stats - thanks Cadleigh.

    BTW, Cooper doesn't have a 100% win record due to the draw at Derby.
  • Cadleigh said:
    Actually the full list looks like this:

    Cusack 25%

    Flynn 34.15%

    Curtis 25%

    Jackett 44.23%

    Nugent 0%

    Martinez 50%

    Sousa 36.73%

    Rodgers 44.79%

    Laudrup 34.52%

    Monk 36.36%

    Curtis 25%

    (32.34%)

     

    Guidolin 36%

    Bradley 18.18%

    Curtis 50%

    Clement 32.43%

    Britton 0%

    Carvalhal 33.33%

    Potter 41.18%

    Cooper 100%

    (38.89%)


    Don't think you have added FAW Premier Cup ties in your calculations.
    Also, the partnership between Cusack and Freestone was broken up before the end of the 2001/2 season leaving Cusack to manage 2 lge games and 1 FAW Cup Final v Cardiff City.
    The following season he was sacked after the Boston(a) match, 9 lge games plus 1 FLC game.
    Total 13 games, 1 win, average win/games 7.6%
    Flynn managed 84 lge and cup games winning 29, win/games 35%
    Curtis managed 4 games, won 1, win/games 25%
    Jackett managed 176 lge and cup games, winning 74, win/games 42%

    The last season Swans played in the FAW Cup was 2007/8

    Thanks for doing the calcs, brought back some great memories
    Cadleigh
  • Interesting stats - thanks Cadleigh.

    BTW, Cooper doesn't have a 100% win record due to the draw at Derby.
    Well spotted! I lifted the stats from Wikipedia and they don't have anything in from Cooper so I gave him 100% thinking he had zero losses but you are right - he's only on 66% now. Still the best stats of any manager in our history mind you...
  • Thanks for spending  the time to collect all those stats , much appreciated  ,
    CadleighGingergit
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