TOG - The Original Guestbook on SCFC2

The purpose of these pages is to provide Swansea City fans with a trip down memory lane by sharing all of the posts made on The Original Guestbook on the SCFC2 website, from March 2011 to its last day in December 2017. That's some 2,467 days or 6 years and 9 months of Swansea City related comments!


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Post 65533 by Jim White on Sunday, 3 December 2017 09:16 PM

As of today, the SCFC2 Guestbook has been replaced by the new SCFC2 Swansea City Forum -

After over 7 weeks of testing we felt that the new forum provided everyone with a much better platform for debate for all things Swansea City related.

We'd like to thank you all for your patience and more importantly for your continued support.

Post 65532 by Jim White on Friday, 13 October 2017 03:03 PM

Just a quick heads up to everyone...

In an attempt to encourage people to participate in debate on the new SCFC2 Forum - - we have temporarily removed the ability to post messages on this Guestbook.

I know this action will probably cause uproar but it is being done in the interests of improving this site for the longer term.

The forum is open for everyone to read what is on there but only registered users are able to post.

So please give the new forum a go and discuss the Swans, Wales or just things in general.

Thank you and here's to a win tomorrow!

Post 65531 by David Villa on Friday, 13 October 2017 10:40 AM

10) Swansea need to find a spark from somewhere

Swansea are not quite in “must-win” territory yet but it is getting that way. Three home defeats out of three is, even if one came against Manchester United, a terrible start and far removed from the fortress-like air the Liberty Stadium assumed after Paul Clement’s arrival in January. Huddersfield are next up on Saturday and anything bar three points, or at the very least a much more creative performance, would suggest there is serious trouble ahead. They have managed only 11 shots on target in seven games, and 46 shots overall. It suggests the losses of Gylfi Sigurdsson and Fernando Llorente have been keenly felt and it is hard to see who of the remaining crop can reverse the trend. Renato Sanches will miss the game through injury and could not have been expected to replicate Sigurdsson’s impact straight off the bat anyway; perhaps it is time for Clement to show some faith in the Spanish playmaker Roque Mesa, who has made only one start in the league so far. Mesa did well as a half-time substitute against Watford last month before making the error that led to Richarlison’s winner; he has struggled to settle in Wales but in the circumstances a vote of confidence could be no bad thing. Swansea need some kind of spark, some element of risk, if their campaign is not to spiral rapidly downwards. NA

Jackland replied on Friday, 13 October 2017 11:54 AM
Everybody seems to pick out Mesa’s mistake against, what about MAWSON with that half hearted tackle, schoolboy defending, it was his ball, yet shit out, went in with his leg leg. Pathetic.

Jacklamd replied on Friday, 13 October 2017 11:55 AM

Jackland replied on Friday, 13 October 2017 11:57 AM
FFS, this keyboard, left leg

Billy Williams replied on Friday, 13 October 2017 12:22 PM
Totally agree Jackland.
Messa,s pass was deflected into the path of the Watford player.
Mawson,s tackle was shocking.
It was his ball all the way.
That tackle cost us a point

Dai replied on Friday, 13 October 2017 12:38 PM
My team for tomorrow





What do u think?

temperance 7 replied on Friday, 13 October 2017 01:14 PM
I think we should wheel out vera lyn before the start to sing a couple of songs your selections might recognise and be inspired to break into a gallop

Dai replied on Friday, 13 October 2017 02:31 PM
Many a fine tune played on an old fiddle!☺

Post 65530 by deejay on Friday, 13 October 2017 12:14 AM


I just watched the Press Conference on the swans site and in
answer to a question about how to lift the confidence of a Welsh
crowd after the international result Paul Clement said "I watched the
international the other night... Wales against Northern Ireland". ??????"

I hope he realises we aren't playing Brighton on Saturday.

Ponty jack replied on Friday, 13 October 2017 02:34 PM
I hope he learned from the ROI they shall not pass commitment. In the last 5 mins SCFC needs to foul shove tackle obstruct block whatever necessary. Last minute Mawson v Watford could have taken out Richardson. Yellow or red. 1 point. West Ham Fer effectively escorted Musamba past Naughton - booking 1 point. If they cannot do it then get in Meylor. He will. Perhaps Fulton can do the scruffy stuff. Not the Swansea way but needs must.

Post 65529 by Martyn Jones on Thursday, 12 October 2017 04:53 PM

“Carlo has said he will come and see me,” Clement explained.

“I don’t know when yet, but I am looking forward to having him here, and to him spending some time at the training ground and watching us play.”

Natterjack replied on Thursday, 12 October 2017 05:33 PM
....and hopefully giving me some advice as to what my best team is.

Post 65528 by MikeR on Thursday, 12 October 2017 01:28 PM

Sanches a major doubt for tomorrow & Bony 50:50 .
From Clements press conference

Dave replied on Thursday, 12 October 2017 01:40 PM
Another 0 to our name then.

James replied on Thursday, 12 October 2017 03:39 PM
After he was fit to make the bench for the Portugal World Cup qualifier the other night.

Duncan (Cornwall) replied on Thursday, 12 October 2017 04:57 PM
Dave, I wouldn't say that; neither have scored a goal yet.

We'll probably bag a couple without them...

Super Swans.

deejay replied on Thursday, 12 October 2017 04:58 PM
Yes, James, and Bony wasn't even in the squad that drew
0-0 with Mali on 6th October.

A quick search on Sanches shows his last appearance at international
level was for the U21s (70 minutes) against Wales in September.

What with Ki substituted in the 28th minute of the friendly against Morocco
on Tuesday the international break outside the Home Countries has a
rather fishy smell about it. Perhaps Sanches wants away from his Premier League
experience ;-)

In the know replied on Thursday, 12 October 2017 06:12 PM
Sanches down singleton hospital today.

Post 65527 by Martyn Jones on Thursday, 12 October 2017 12:16 AM

Project Koeman close to fruition. Advocaat & Gullit will be fired leaving a vacancy for the Holland job. Fancy Big Sam for the Everton job. Someone needs to keep them up somehow. Huddersfield - Tight strong good defense so 6-0 the Swans this weekend

marrio99 replied on Thursday, 12 October 2017 12:38 AM
Why would they sack advocaat he only took the job on in may.

Martyn Jones replied on Thursday, 12 October 2017 04:51 PM
Holland quoted as saying if he gets us to Russia then he will stay. Obvious implication being he doesn't stay as he didn't get them to Russia. Quotes below

The Dutch FA’s technical director, Hans van Breukelen, said: “There were two scenarios. We opt for the longer term or we do everything that is possible to get to the 2018 World Cup. We chose the second scenario. It had to be a very experienced professional, preferably an authority.”

Cant find the original quote I read yesterday with Dutch saying he only stays if they get to Russia

Post 65526 by Jim Whitr on Wednesday, 11 October 2017 09:53 PM

I have 2 tickets for sale f0r saturdays game against Huddersfield.

Drop me an email at if your interested

Will sell at face value



DDWT replied on Wednesday, 11 October 2017 10:15 PM
Shame on you Jim - you should be posting this on the new forum

Ponty jack replied on Thursday, 12 October 2017 10:10 AM
I'm still reeling from the comprehensive response from the man of Pont y faen.

DDWT replied on Thursday, 12 October 2017 10:47 AM
Haha - that made me chuckle.

Fair play Jeff did an awesome job

harold replied on Thursday, 12 October 2017 12:57 PM
Ohh another that likes to chuckle, ddwt, steve and jackattack, the chuckle bros???

Jeremy replied on Thursday, 12 October 2017 02:24 PM
Just as well post appears here at least I don't get adverts obliterating my view like on the new site !

Jeff-Cowbridge replied on Thursday, 12 October 2017 04:27 PM
Unfortunately (fortunately?) I've had a lot of practice at that sort of thing over the last 20 years :o

Jackattack replied on Thursday, 12 October 2017 06:38 PM
Harold with a name like that I'd be very tempted to wind you're neck in.

Post 65525 by Garry on Wednesday, 11 October 2017 07:30 PM

It was not about Mondays game.
What about the 5 they drew and the one they lost?
Lets be fair Wales are a second rate team, just like the Swans.
After watching the home nations I have come to the conclusion that British players are terrible, apart from Harry Kane. :dance:

Dai replied on Wednesday, 11 October 2017 07:47 PM
Coleman has done well with the players he's got.
You only got to look at the bench to see Wales are down to the bare bones.

But Clement can sign and sell players.
You look at Swansea's bench and you can see £30 mill worth of players sitting there while we lose a game.
He still don't know what his best team or formation is!
He's bought clucas and don't know where to play him.
We should be looking for a replacement now before it's to late

Can't wait to see what team he picks sat and what weird formation he plays.
Something from page 49 of the school teachers guide to football

Mg replied on Wednesday, 11 October 2017 10:39 PM
Dai, its getting really tedious now. First it was the "we have never had it so good" crap and now its all PC's fault. Anything to deflect blame from the board. Well i will give you one. Selling llorente on the last day of the transfer window and thinking bony could waltz in and replace him. Utter disaster by the board that may well take us down.

Big G replied on Wednesday, 11 October 2017 11:19 PM

Where on earth can you see 30 million worth of players on our bench?!

Or Is it the old Ron Atkinson trick of going to the wrong bench?

Truth is we sold, sold, sold in the summer but what did we actually buy to replace our 2 main attacking assets? Sweet F A!

Ponty jack replied on Wednesday, 11 October 2017 11:22 PM
Just watched clip of Argentina turning their tournament around. Messi hatrick. Losing Bale was critical. On form he is a game changer. He took Wales to Euro 16 but was not fully fit for WC 18.

Jack London replied on Thursday, 12 October 2017 12:45 PM
Mg - Clement himself has said that he was fully involved in the transfer decisions that took place this summer. He clearly was the driving force between bringing in Sanches and Abraham (and good on him for using his contacts to bring some talented young players in on loan - it's what a lot of people on here were hoping he would do). There is no evidence to suggest that the other sales and purchases were done over his head.

You obviously see something in Clement which most of the rest of us are missing. Are you able to articulate it so we can understand why you are defending him so passionately?

Dai replied on Thursday, 12 October 2017 06:21 PM
Mg perhaps you have not been supporting the swans very long,but unless you know different
This is the most successful period in the clubs history

As far as I'm aware Clement picks the team and the formation we play,not the board.
So the buck stops with him.
Clement had the final say on who we signed and let go,he said so himself on TV.

Something is not right when you playing players out of position, sometimes we have boney,Massa,clucas on the bench,worth over £37 mill just those 3.

Get back to playing 4_5_1 with pacey wingers and Britton and message in midfield.
It's the only formation that suits boney.
Not this diamond shyte

Mg replied on Thursday, 12 October 2017 10:41 PM
He got us out of the board's disastrous bob bradley dogs dinner so we can all be thankful for that. He has sorted our defence out but probably felt like crying when the board gave the llorente deal the green light. You can say what you like about final say but there is not a chance he agreed getting rid of llorente was good business. And i doubt bony was on his shopping list either. He will learn and will have to start to put pressure on the board to spend just a shame they allowed such a poor transfer window to pass us by AGAIN. Lessons learnt and next level etc

Dal replied on Friday, 13 October 2017 07:56 AM
You forget mg that llorente wanted out ,spurs or chelsea he wanted to go.
Pherhaps he did not rate clement and did not want to play negative football.
Clement only saved his own neck because cork got injured and he was advised to pick britton.
Lets see what team and wonderful formation he picks sat

Mg replied on Friday, 13 October 2017 11:35 AM
lots of players want to leave but if the club have a strong board they are told, NO, you are staying son and as a professional, Llorente would have got on with it. Also PC was told he was staying

we are playing a new system this season and hopefully we have the players to implement it, Getting rid of PC now is madness and we have to be patient to allow 2 players you were jumping up and down with joy about in the window - sanches and bony - time to get match fit - warnings were made by some guestbookers about the risky transfer window and sadly it has turned out that way

by the way we got rid of two wingers, barrow and montero and i seem to recall i was one of very very few on here who was sad to see him leave

Dai replied on Friday, 13 October 2017 12:45 PM
I for one was not jumping up and down about boney and sanches..
I could see through clement last year,he was saved by three players siggy llorentte and britton.
Dont like the way he plays. No wingers no pace.
I bet he dreams of a team of alan corks.

You think Clement is the man for the job I dont

Mg replied on Friday, 13 October 2017 12:59 PM
it was you or another Dai on this board who told us all to stop moaning cos the squad was better this season than last season and that everything was fine and dandy (ad nauseam) and now it is "PC is rubbish" (ad nauseam)

Dai replied on Friday, 13 October 2017 02:35 PM
The squad is good enough to keep us up.
Its the team selections is the problem

Post 65524 by Jon on Wednesday, 11 October 2017 10:39 AM

Welsh players likened to a football club ... (from a CCFC site)

Hennessey: Crystal Palace (sh*te)
Gunter: West Brom (Solid & always tries hard)
Davies: Fulham (nice touches but a bit flowery)
Chester: West Brom
Williams: Chesterfield (look at their league position)
King: Burton Albion (add own thought here)
Allen: Man City (we lost the game when that pr*ck McLean took him out)
Ledley: Bristol Rovers (unfortunately second best but tried hard)
Lawrence: Cardiff City (never gave up) MoM for Wales after Allen went off
Rambo: This is really tough coz he just had an off day AND was played out of position. But ... Swansea
Hal Robson Kanu: West Brom ... oh, hang on

Dave replied on Wednesday, 11 October 2017 11:03 AM
Lawrence was bloody awful.

Ponty jack replied on Wednesday, 11 October 2017 11:22 AM
Why did they underperform? Pressure from ROI players? The return trip from Georgia? Were they overhyped and nervous. Personally I do not care about the anthem. That is for Katherine Jenkins and the crowd. Overhyped in my view. The Roi defenders were very nervous and it needed a clear head and concentration. Then some of those free kicks would have forced Randolph into action and he can be shakey. I alway remember an article in the Times about the Wembley Wales v England game 1999. The Times identified the Welsh front three of Bassey Tom Jones and Jenkins K I think and concluded England never had a chance.

Jon replied on Wednesday, 11 October 2017 12:37 PM
Our free kicks were shocking all night, Ramsey had half a dozen where, I kid you not, I could have done better at nearly 60 (no exaggeration), then Tom Lawrence had a go in the dying seconds, well, the less said the better about that one.

So Bale, our main dead ball specialist was out, whoopdy doo, we have 11 professional footballers on the pitch, don't tell me none can take a free kick

Sally Mali replied on Wednesday, 11 October 2017 01:18 PM
Wales record against the ROI before the match was hardly awe inspiring.

In the last 10 matches Wales had won only 1 game.

None in the last 7!

Ponty Jack replied on Wednesday, 11 October 2017 05:40 PM
It would have been interesting if 0-0 at 80 mins and both teams going out. Would O' Neil have changed tactics allow Wales space. We will never know. I expect the Mediteraenians to use their creative skills to extricate bookings for rough house challenges to face a depleted ROI team in the second leg. Like Wales they have no depth in their squad.

deejay replied on Wednesday, 11 October 2017 07:35 PM
"Like Wales they have no depth in their squad".

Much like two club teams gracing the Liberty this year with Welsh
international players moving off to bigger and better English (or French)

One thing Coleman and his staff seemed to have overlooked was how
frequently Ben Davies has been chosen by Pochettino to take corners
from the right side instead of Christian Eriksen this season. I'd reckon the
Spurs Manager is a good judge of such things.

James replied on Wednesday, 11 October 2017 08:32 PM

I thought exactly the same thing on Monday.

Why didn't they leave Ben take the corners and free kicks.

His left foot has been wicked for Spurs this season

Post 65523 by Jeremy on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 10:16 PM

Check out post 62625 !
And respond and move on !

Jeremy replied on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 10:18 PM
65625 post
Sorry !

Post 65522 by StephenR on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 09:42 PM

U21's 1-0 at Newport. Checkatrade Trophy

RGD replied on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 10:00 PM
Won 2 1

Post 65521 by Malcolm Davies on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 08:34 PM

Good to see oli mcburnie score for the scottish under 21 tonight , anybody know if sanches is in the portugal 1st team squad tonight

Alf replied on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 09:17 PM
Just seen him on the bench. Match is on Sky.

Malcolm Davies replied on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 09:34 PM
Cheers alf , thought I saw him training with the first team squad

Post 65520 by deejay on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 08:10 PM

Ki sub'd in the 28th minute against Morocco today.

Another injury whilst on International duty? :angry:

Gingerbread replied on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 09:32 PM
The phoney ki lives for korea only, now he wont play untill the next korean game.
Laudrup put him thru the door, we will be rid of the imposter soon.
Footballer, no con merchant.

Dave replied on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 10:33 PM
Waste of space only interested in playing for Korea

Duncan (Cornwall) replied on Wednesday, 11 October 2017 12:48 PM
Stick a rocket up his arse...

Super Swans.

clyde replied on Wednesday, 11 October 2017 02:30 PM
Western Mail doesn’t report injury as the reason he came off.
Good half hour of game time in their friendly in that case.

Ponty jack replied on Wednesday, 11 October 2017 04:37 PM
Ki could be vital for SCFC. He can play the no 10 role. He can pick a pass in advanced positions and score goals. 8 for Monk alongside Bony. It is up to PC to motivate and assess or else it's away in January. With the injury break he should be keen to earn a new deal with some effective performances.

Dai replied on Wednesday, 11 October 2017 07:06 PM
Ki ,Britton and message should in the team.
Not looking forward to sat game knowing he going to play the diamond without wingers.
I think he is trying to bore Huddersfield to death

Post 65519 by JokerJack on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 06:01 PM

Striker Alberto Paloschi scored his first goal last Sunday for his new club SPAL - 18 months after his last one for Swansea City.

Jackland replied on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 06:20 PM
Gone. I mean. Ooops

Post 65518 by Hugh Williams on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 01:03 PM

A hypothetical question, did UEFA / FIFA pick the wrong type of ref?

I think he is supposed to be one of their better refs, you could see how he tried to let the game flow. However did that let Eire get away with far too many niggling fouls/pushes etc. etc.

If the authorities had thought about it properly they should have realised what type of game it was going to be and the type of "tactics" Eire would employ.

Not an excuse for a poor Wales "performance" but something to consider. Imagine that ref in an Allardyce/Pulis game.

Mark (Jack) London replied on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 05:12 PM
as the Irish lad who sits near me in the office said this morning,

they were "lucky with a lenient ref last night! Dunno how we ended up with 11 on the pitch at the end…"

the question is, should the goalscorer have even been on the pitch as he knew exactly what he was doing, and that was a reckless endangerment of another player. McLean blatantly pushed Joe into Myler.

then Myler could have gone for the challenge on Hennessy.

and how Mclean stayed on the pitch after the challenge on Gunter having been booked minutes earlier is beyond me.

Sally Mali replied on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 05:57 PM
I don't know how many people saw McLean deliberately step on Gunter's foot as he walked past him, just before halftime.

Gunter and Coleman went absolutely ballistic.

Another one the officials missed.

I'm very surprised the Welsh players didn't wind McLean up, he's a bomb waiting to go off!!

Jackland replied on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 06:18 PM
MEYLER , McLEAN should have, np. The ref was a disgrace.

Jackland replied on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 06:21 PM
Gone. I mean. Ooops

Jackareme replied on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 07:10 PM
We need to man up and not moan about weak referees.. we weren't good enough or physical enough and we lost - END OF!!

Dai replied on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 07:46 PM
Them paddies are to rough for us.

Hugh Williams replied on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 10:21 PM
Do you think Eire would have got away with so much against a footballing team such as Spain - I think not.

Refs are supposed to protect players NOT to let a physical side intimidate their opponents.

"Man up" - are you suggesting Wales should have descended into Eire tactics?

Jackareme replied on Wednesday, 11 October 2017 12:17 AM
Hugh - do you think those tactics would have worked against Spain?? trust me mate the spanish would have used their technical superiority to move the ball quickly and ruthlessly expose the Irish midfield and back 4.
Wales should have had the ability to carve out more than enough chances to win the game.
instead of looking to the referee and crying like babies yesterday was the day for our world class players to impose themselves on the game and seize the day.
If our "world class" players tend to be less than stellar then that says we do not have a good enough squad to compete..
in my opinion Bale is World class, Joe is Very good and Ramsey is incredibly over rated ( Gunter Williams Chester and Davies are decent Ledley Robson-Kanu Lawrence and Vokes are decent championship players.- THAT IS THE REALITY..
Any of the the top nations that had a home game v that Ireland team needing to win in order to qualify would have taken care of business - wouldn't matter who the referee is!

Which brings me in a roundabout way to our the premier League becomes more and more focused on size strength and speed we need to return to what marketing folks call our USP...namely speed technical ability and mobility - with an ability to dominate possession and defend with the ball.. Just like Wales if we try and get into an arm wrestle every week and rely on bleating to the match officials we are up Schlitts Creek without a proverbial paddle. - Worse than that we will be doomed serving up the type of product that will mean that no one will even miss us!

Mike Tasmania replied on Wednesday, 11 October 2017 01:00 AM
Jackareme. My thoughts exactly. For a small nation we are already punching above our weight but to suggest the ref cost us that game is rubbish. We just weren't good enough. Damage was done earlier in the group with all those draws.

Brownie Islington jack replied on Wednesday, 11 October 2017 12:11 PM
Jackareme, excellent post.did you watch the slovakia v Scotland game.slovakia dominated possession with 10 men and were unlucky not to get something.10 players all happy to receive the ball playing with a good tempo and always looking to attack.they were a joy to watch and just goes to show how overrated our players are.edwards king robson Kanu????

Hugh Williams replied on Wednesday, 11 October 2017 12:49 PM

I don't think you understood or didn't read my post properly. I simply asked the question - was he the right ref for the match (an important world cup qualifier)?

Is the ref for an FA cup final drawn out of a hat? NO. Is a novice appointed to take charge of a premier league decider e.g. Man C v Man U? NO. I simply raised the point that better consideration could have been made to the appointment.

Your points on Spain are irrelevant - unless their star midfield player was taken out - their forward was constantly pulled and pushed throughout - their captain was headbutted - their wing back was stamped on and nothing was done. Gutless refs are seen every week - they DO influence a games.

Jackareme replied on Wednesday, 11 October 2017 02:59 PM
Hugh - was he the right referee when we beat the belgians at the Euros - same guy - but a very different performance from the men in red...

Hugh Williams replied on Thursday, 12 October 2017 10:02 AM

Don't want this saga to go on. Belgium play football, Wales try to play football = ideal ref.

Eire don't play football, they use attrition and aggression. My point simply was = wrong ref (as good as he is supposed to be).

Nobody wants a happy whistle blower to ruin a game just as you don't want a ref who lets a side get away with underhand tactics.

We've seen many of the above in Swans and other teams' games remember Spurs at home a few years back. At least THREE of their players SHOULD have been sent off before the sh**ts nicked it with a late error. No need for us to "man up" but a need for the ref to "man up" against so called "big" teams or to "man up" against dirty teams.

Post 65517 by DDWT on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 10:36 AM

We contacted a few of the regulars on here last week about helping us test a new SCFC2 Forum -

Unfortunately only a few responded, so we are now opening up the invitation to all users of this guestbook to see if you would be interested in helping Jim and myself test out the brand new forum for the site which may eventually replace the existing guestbook.

As you are aware the guestbook has been in place on the site for donkeys years and whilst it is very easy to use, it isn't without its limitations on a number of different levels - whether it be difficulty in using in on different devices, keeping track of the various discussions or perhaps most irritating of all, posters using different usernames to annoy people!

Some of you will be aware that we tried this before with running a forum alongside the guestbook. However this failed miserably and the bottom line was - as many people pointed out - it should be a simple case of one or the other!

So IF you are interested in helping us out, then please head over to and register for an account, which will then be approved in due course.

Currently we are still working on the look and feel of the forum but we wanted to get everyone's feedback in terms of ease of use, features, usability on different devices first BEFORE fine tuning things.

Anyway - we hope to see you use the forum and look forward to hearing your feedback.

Many thanks,
Jim & DDWT

Tudor replied on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 11:08 AM
I've not tended to post on the forum for a while because to be truthful open and honest debate has sadly deserted this site. There are a few acidic individuals who have appeared since the sale of the club and their purpose is to pack like pounce on any dissenting voices clamping down and subverting open debate.

I've often wondered if there was a system that allowed good posts that prove to be popular could float to the top of the pile so people might continue to debate. At the moment with the way the forum is constructed the occasional very good debating points soon get lost usually by lots of dross and childish nonsense.

DDWT replied on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 11:19 AM
Thanks for the constructive feedback Tudor.

You make a valid point about the "shout them down" approach by some, which is disappointing, as whether we fans agree or not, they are entitled to their opinion - without it ending in name calling, etc.

We're currently looking into having a "Like/Spam/Abuse" approach to any discussion area so that - as you have suggested - meaningful debate becomes the focus.

Hopefully this approach will help more people who want to debate the Swans/Wales return to the site :-)

Martyn Jones replied on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 11:48 AM
I'd be happy to help

Jon replied on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 11:52 AM
But its shout it down from both sides, I've tended to be a positive kind of guy, I get branded as a happy clapper or worse (a family member of the board) and theirs little comfort in the fact that I know not many would use such insult others face to face.
Good luck DDWT, lets not get too similar to Planet Swans

Jackareme replied on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 02:08 PM
Also be very happy to help! But as a complete technical inadequate I am using an old email address on this account that I had when I signed up, but can no longer access the inbox

How do I update my "account" with my new email address?

Thanks - and keep up the good work - for all the crap you get as moderators..remember there are swans expats who bleed black and white - and you my friends are like one of the emergency services - you really are that important to us!

Thanks again!

DDWT replied on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 02:17 PM
Martyn - thanks for the offer of help. If you head on over to the forum - you can register there and then get involved :-)

Jon - I agree people from both sides get embroiled in the nonsense. I'd like to think that the folk here are a more mature bunch than that lot on Planet Swans ;-)

Jackareme - get in touch with us via the SCFC2 Contact Form and provide your working email address, together with the username and old email address you used to register. We'll do the rest then

Big G replied on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 08:08 PM
You did email me about this, but to be fair you didn't give us much time to respond, you say 'last week'
My email arrived in Friday evening?!

DDWT replied on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 08:52 PM
Geez how much time do you need Big G haha. :D

We're just keen to crack on and see what folk think that's all.

Hope you can join us and put the new forum to the test :cheers:

Colin Northampton replied on Wednesday, 11 October 2017 10:17 PM
I'd be happy to go over and have a look.
Thought you might find this helpful. If I was one who you emailed, I wouldn't have got it because I have never typed the correct email address when posting. I have no problem at all giving you my email address. I really appreciate the work put in to maintain this site. I've just always assumed that no one actually cares what I type so I've always typed something much shorter and quicker in the shape of an email address.

Just thought you might want to consider that the poor response might be because more people than me do this.

Post 65516 by DDWT on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 10:17 AM

Meet the Man in the Middle when the Swans take on the Terriers this weekend...

Dave replied on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 10:33 AM
Yuk... I can't bear the thought of watching more garbage this weekened!!

Natterjack replied on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 06:15 PM
Let's hope his Swans Love Factor stays the same or increases. :-) :-) :-)


Post 65515 by Billy Williams on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 08:42 AM

Dirty Irish tactics paid off.
Put Joe out of the game and that was the end of us.
Ramsey was shocking as he was in Georgia.
Give me Joe any day of the week.
Martinez once said Joe Allen would become a better player than Ramsey.
Well at International level i think he's proved that.
Its easy to look back in hindsight but i think Woodburn has to start every game from now on. The only player that looked capable of breaking them down.
ROI were shocking. We gave them the goal, silly throw out, mess up again by Ash, and no marking on that horrible git Mcclean.
To sum up two very poor sides without any idea of scoring.
So unlucky Bale was injured.
I don't wish the Irish well. for the sake of football i hope they lose in the play off.

JoH replied on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 08:50 AM
Losing Joe was huge. He was running the show.

Jon replied on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 08:54 AM
Its can't be argued that Gareth Bale was missed and is without doubt, our best player, then we lose the guy that makes us tick and IMO, the second best player, Joe. Ramsey, I'm afraid, is down with the also rans.

What was Lawrence doing for that last free kick, anyone on here could have floated that in, how could he hit touch on the far side? talk about hero to zero.

Ash, oh dear but we've seen it before at Swansea, for all his faults, and for us, as a small nation, he's the best we've got, he's a strong character and will pull through. Those calling for his head need to think on

colin loughor replied on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 09:17 AM
I agrewe Jon, Ash was in a battle last night.
We would've been stumped without him.

Post 65514 by colin on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 08:41 AM

As Toshack said many years ago "an army marches as fast as it's slowest man" .

What's with all this spam mail today, I'm just not in the mood for flowers and cakes this morning.

Post 65513 by Philip on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 01:04 AM

The football being played by Wales tonight especially after the opening ten minutes,reminded me of the way Swans play under Clement. Goalie throws the ball out to one of the defenders ,some lackluster passing to and fro between the defenders (getting us nowhere ) the giving the ball away.. not very pretty to watch and gets you nowhere.

I hope there is a clause in Montero's loan move. Get him back quickly, and also get another winger in. A couple of seasons ago Montero showed his class in the Arsenal game when he terrorized Arsenal 's full back. Surely some man management would get the best out of Montero..He has the class to beat full-backs and get the ball in to the forwards.

Really worried for Swans this season.

Jon replied on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 08:50 AM
And Chelsea, gave Ivanovic a torrid time, get him back

As for the patient build up play, its how we used to play, Ireland pressed hard and knew a mistake might come, they played the perfect game of rugby.

Its can't be argued that Gareth Bale was missed and is without doubt, our best player, then we lose the guy that makes us tick and IMO, the second best player, Joe. Ramsey, I'm afraid is down with the also rans.

What was Lawrence doing for that last free kick, anyone on here could have floated that in, how could he hit touch on the far side? talk about hero to zero.

Ash, oh dear but we've seen it before at Swansea, for all his faults, for us, as a small nation, he's the best we've got, he's a strong character and will pull through.

Post 65512 by Robert on Monday, 9 October 2017 11:15 PM

I don;t believe it.

If we had drawn Republic of Ireland we'd have finished 2nd ahead of them but we wouldn't have made the play offs after all.

We'd have finished bottom of the runner up table because Croatia beat Ukraine and therefore Slovakia who actually finished bottom of that table, had 12 points (same as we'd have had if we drew Ireland) but had a better goal difference than Wales.

We had to beat Ireland to make the play offs but even when Joe Allen was on the pitch I didn't quite think that was possible and then of course once he went off injured it got worse for us.

I feel gutted for some of the players. Really I do.

But not Ramsey. Ramsey **** off back to Arsenal and get a reality check on what people think of him as a character.

Ponty jack replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 11:34 PM
It was potentially a who blinks first contest. ROI had to win and effectively so did Wales although at one point a draw could have been enough. ROI did not try to win and assumed Wales would. They packed their defence and waited for a mistake. A horrible match for Wales as Roi are tough and uninspiring. Clement has the same approach on occasions but has some softees which he needs to dispatch if he plans to go down that route. Meylor hospitalised Naughton a couple of years ago and tangled with Pardew once. He and his chums knocked Wales off their game and Wales rarely inspire after a long trip in a double header. Ramsey was the main man in Euro 16 and is irreplaceable irrespective of Welsh fans playing to the crowd west of the Ogwr. Wales needs to integrate a new crop of young guns immediately as Tostock and Flynn did a decade ago.

JokerJack replied on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 12:21 AM
Ramsey will be 31 and Bale 33 when the 2022 World Cup Finals are played.

So with the amount of money earned may well have retired from International football.

Interesting stats against the Republic, Wales have only won once in the last 11 matches and zero in the last 8.

Post 65511 by SeaJack on Monday, 9 October 2017 10:45 PM

Damn it, damn it, damn it! The moment Joe Allen left the field of play I had a feeling the chances of us losing went up. Hope he's ok btw.

Sally Mali replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 11:23 PM
They targeted Joe, exactly like they did in the first match

Post 65510 by upthejacks1 on Monday, 9 October 2017 10:44 PM

So mr T .u think that was a good performance do u. BELL........ur not even worth the rest.

Post 65509 by Mr T on Monday, 9 October 2017 10:18 PM

Reading some of the comments below about tonight's game all I can say is.......what a bunch of End Bells,pathetic the lot of you, but there again it's typical of the pathetic state of this forum.

Jack replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 10:37 PM
Welcome back Mr T, looks like they fix you then

I’ve cancelled my gym membership, no need now

Post 65508 by ian on Monday, 9 October 2017 10:16 PM

Hennessey - idiot
Williams - passed it
Ramsey - How many times does he smash it over the bar


Post 65507 by The Lone Ranger on Monday, 9 October 2017 10:12 PM

One match when we really missed Bale.

Republic of Ireland wouldn't have given away so many free kicks with him taking them.

Post 65506 by BWJ on Monday, 9 October 2017 10:11 PM

I don’t think anyone can deny that we were simply not good enough.
For footballing reasons alone, I hope Ireland fail at the final hurdle in play offs. Whoever they face let’s hope they suffer like chewing gum in Cookie’s mouth!

Post 65505 by Jackrabbit on Monday, 9 October 2017 09:49 PM

A team lacking in quality (without Bale, Wales are Championship standard) farts about passing sideways and backwards until the inevitable mistake costs them a goal. They then are forced to try to play some attacking football. But it's all too little too late, panicky and ineffective. Result , defeat.

It reminds me of some of the games I've seen on Saturdays this season home and away. Remarkable similarity.

Dai replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 10:06 PM
Coleman very negative reminds me of Clement.

Post 65504 by Hugh Williams on Monday, 9 October 2017 09:49 PM

Pathetic loss of the ball - pathetic attempt to get it back - pathetic attempt to block the cross. Well done captain of Wales for getting us out of the world cup.

If that was at the other end our player would be in touch and they'd get away with it. Especially with that ref. who let so much go from the Irish. Crude and dirty.

What a horrible team to lose to. Unfortunately our so called better players just didn't turn up

Colin Loughor replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 10:09 PM
Hennessey was to blame.Didn't have a save to make all night and then throws it to someone who is marked.

Hugh Williams replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 10:27 PM
O.K. Colin but how many options did Ash have? Boot it anywhere a la Eire. Take a booking for the team
(though that ref let so many things go for them) kick the ball and player into touch a la Eire.

He did nothing apart from eliminate us.

Gareth Rogers replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 11:24 PM
Not a great throw from Hennessey but Ash was so lackadaisical. First in giving it away, then in "chasing" for the ball, then in trying to block the cross. You know he wished he could have that to do all over again. It was awful.

But we lost this with all the draws earlier after leading. I'm old enough to remember 78, 86, 94. This is worse because we lost to a team that is no better than us and we were in, let's be honest, a crap group.. Gutted!!

Good luck to Ireland. I hate their style but their fans are brilliant.

Wayne Arthur replied on Tuesday, 10 October 2017 07:55 AM
Ben Davies didn’t cover himself in glory, standing flapping his arms instead of getting back into the box

Post 65503 by upthejacks1 on Monday, 9 October 2017 09:46 PM

Ash should never play for Wales again.way past his sell by date.

mrk replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 09:47 PM
Looked like Dwayne Dibley

Dai replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 09:53 PM
We had the best years out of him.
He was a great player for us

Post 65502 by Ivorsleftpeg on Monday, 9 October 2017 09:43 PM

Ash looks like a Sunday league player since leaving us, thinks he's big time now.

Chris Coleman would be coaching merthyr if it wasn't for Garth Bale..

Awful quality on show.

Brownie Islington jack replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 09:48 PM
And once again Martin o Neil is made to look like s footballing genius that he's not!!! That's the worst Irish side I think I've ever seen.

Post 65501 by Garry on Monday, 9 October 2017 09:24 PM

is that Alf or Gordon Ramsey playing,was shocking the last game as well.

Dai replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 09:49 PM
Missed Allen when he went off.
That's Joe's weakness he's a bit lightweight and can get knocked off the ball.
Ireland to physical for us,we have to man up a bit

Post 65500 by Jackland on Monday, 9 October 2017 09:05 PM

Williams makes a mess of a clearance down the left. Hendrick nips in. He charges down the wing and flashes a cross to the back post. McClean meets it with a first-time right-footed strike. It flies into the far corner. Sublime finish. Pandemonium in the away end. As it stands, Ireland are heading for the play-offs. Wales are heading out. He’s got a mistake in him, every match.

Dai replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 09:08 PM
To think we got £12 mill for him

Dave replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 09:25 PM
Like Mawson you mean?

Post 65499 by Jack of Herts on Monday, 9 October 2017 08:45 PM

If you want to know what Joe Allen brings to the team look at the before and after performance from Wales in that 1dt half.

Joe replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 09:33 PM
But Jonny Wills, come on, hardly like for like

Post 65498 by bankjack on Monday, 9 October 2017 08:34 PM

Two words "BARRY HORNE"

J4cka replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 08:52 PM
Here’s another 2 words.... F*****g T**t !!!!
The most negative, miserable Gog, I’ve ever had the mispleasure of listening to.

Dai replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 09:00 PM
What about ratcliffe another bewt

Post 65497 by Martyn Jones on Monday, 9 October 2017 07:28 PM

Will be gutted if we dont make the cut somehow. Will spare a thought tho for Swiss fans if they do not make it to the finals. They have won all 9 of their games, 27 points and a GD of +18 but if they lose away to Portugal tomorrow they finish 2nd. Incredible. If they then fail in the play offs that will be some record, An unbeatable one

Dai replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 08:27 PM
Poor game,it's like an English championship game.

Jackland replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 08:43 PM
IRELAND kicking everything above a blade of grass, that Meyler should have gone off, didn’t go for the ball at all. He didn’t even have a yellow, Ref is shit.

Dai replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 09:05 PM
Yes it looks like Ireland up for it more than us

Post 65496 by Michael Davies on Monday, 9 October 2017 12:11 PM

Food for thought

Jon replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 12:59 PM
Good article but even for the mundaness and the 'been here before', I'd still rather be in the Premier League, choppy waters and all

Legal Jack replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 03:26 PM
Good read. Perhaps the problem is we actually belived we were different to other club, press praise for our model of fan club ownership, identity and style of football that was amazing and made us different. Now it feels we're just another struggling PL team, fan own ship no more, playing style gone almost to good ball and main objectives seemingly now survival and money.

Jon replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 03:45 PM
Same as it was last year and every year since 2011, (survival and money).
For me, the sale was inevitable, that doesn't mean I was happy with the way it was concluded.

JoH replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 04:56 PM
No 2 ways about it..... it's better to see your team win on a Saturday afternoon that lose.

JoH replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 05:04 PM
I think for majority of Swans fans would rather stay in the PL.

This iS simply down to the likely scenario that it could welL take 23 years to get back into the big time, whereas supporters of say Newcastle can expect to get back pretty quickly.

Ponty jack replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 07:26 PM
They way I see it from the outside. The previous case of fan ownership then /commerial ownership now is a myth. Before it was Welsh / Dutch /South African businessmen and the Trust. Now it is US/Welsh businessmen and the Trust. Now is actually an improvement as I suspect the Trust is now switched on where before they may possibly have had unrealistic objectives and possibly an over reliance on the board members. The vote suggests a clearer vision. it is the reverse of the over sentimental and negative fans perception. Katzen who sold up is a venture capitalist and was always going to cash in. Thats what venture capitalists do. scfc is in South Wales not the south East so the club must battle against the odds. It is still 35% Welsh but need some Welsh Swansea trained kids to reinforce it's identity.

Jon replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 09:50 PM
It is only 21% Welsh, others may own shares but have no voting rights.
For me, it was all about the original shareholders agreement, I’m not sure if it was watertight but would have frightened the bejesus out of both the sellers and buyers had the Trust tested their resolve, was it worth the risk? We’ll never know.

Post 65495 by J4cka on Monday, 9 October 2017 10:51 AM

Can't wait to see the Wales match tonight, should not be one for the faint hearted, or for those of a nervous disposition ! :wales: :wales: :wales:
I watched part of Ireland's previous match, and after they scored their second, I couldnt be bothered to watch anymore.
It just reminded me of Wimbledon.
Personally, I think a long throw in, is a good weapon to have in your armoury, as was the case in their first goal.
And their second, a big bloke headering in, which in all fairness, was a good cross.
But the point being, they are very good at set pieces, in the air.
And we have Ashleigh Williams.
I'm not of those....... " He's a tosser now, because he's left us" .... mob
Its just defending crosses was never one of his fortes.
Do we need James Collins back, alongside him, for this specific job?
Haven't a clue if he's injured, or how much first team games he's played, but I know he plays his heart out for Wales, especially big ones.
Come you Welsh boys !!, just have one thought in your minds as your running on to that pitch.....
That utterly annoying, complete PR#CK of a TW@T ! Roy Keane wants you to loose!!!!!

bronwen replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 04:32 PM
Collins injured, why do you think he didn,t play against us for the hammers.
Blab on with no knowledge l4cka, you,d think you would observe the obvious.

Post 65494 by Swans Trust on Monday, 9 October 2017 10:00 AM

The minutes from the Trust Board meeting held on 4 September 2017 are now available on the Trust website:

Post 65493 by mrk on Monday, 9 October 2017 09:30 AM

Check the date... Coincidence?

marrio99 replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 10:48 AM
Only problem tonight both teams need a win draw not good enough for either so hope we don't cancel each other out.cant see Greece not beating Malta home.

Martyn Jones replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 04:19 PM
Slovakia beat malta to go above us in the playoffs yesterday. Greece have Gibraltar at home and will do the same tomorrow.

Only playoff option available for us should we draw is

Ukraine v Croatia ends in a draw and does not involve more goals.

Wales 0-0 and Croatia 0-0 we go through. If Crotia gmaer is higher score draw they go through on yellow cards in the group. e.g Wales 1-1, Ukraine v Croatia 2-2 and we are out.

We have 6 more yellow cards than them and the same red cards during the group. They would need a couple of players sent off for us to go through if their draw is higher scoring

Post 65492 by NHEvs - Sydney. on Monday, 9 October 2017 08:20 AM

An FYI for those located in Australia.

The Wales game is live on ESPN from 5:35, Sydney time.

Dai the spy replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 09:06 AM
This game with our Celtic cousins is going to be a battle.
More like a premier game than an international game.
I have my doubts.about Ledlleys fitness in midfield ,I think one goal either way will settle I
Cymru am byth

Legal Jack replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 09:21 AM
Take the game to them with another Joe master class in midfield and use our young lads with pace. I hope we don't try to sit deep too early. Hoof bald into our box will suit them.

mrk replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 09:23 AM
Ah good on ya mate!

Can't wait!! come on Wales!

Give me the best bloody start to my birthday haha!!

Post 65491 by Mark (Jack) London on Sunday, 8 October 2017 09:14 PM

Watford's secret to their Success

Post 65490 by Malcolm Davies on Sunday, 8 October 2017 08:30 PM

Watched the chris coleman documentary ' dare to dream ' a good watch for all swans fans ,
fortunate to see chris play left back for us a teenager , had the maestro tommy hutch playing in front of him ,

chris only wanted to play for the swans and then wales , showed him scoring in the snow , looked like the cardiff game when we won 3 nil or 4 =1 ,
they spoke to andy melville , good player and scored with lots of headers , terry yorath as manager said how lucky they were to sign him , after he was homesick at man city , forgot we received £275,000 when he went to crystal palace ,
team photos brought back memories , alan knill , sean mccarthy , colin pascoe , robbie james , curt , chris harrison , ian love , ivor and so many more ,

well worth a watch

cimlajack replied on Sunday, 8 October 2017 10:02 PM
If my memory serves me right, we also had a hefty sell-on clause activated later on,which dwarfed the original transfer fee :-) .

Dave replied on Sunday, 8 October 2017 10:11 PM
We were lucky to have CC as a player. Clearly too good for the lower leagues he was playing in at the time.

James replied on Sunday, 8 October 2017 10:26 PM
What a player to have at left back now.

Great story about his dad Paddy approaching Yorath about Chrissie signing for the Swans, only to be told he'd have to talk to Man City.

Paddy then travelled up to Manchester and sorted it out. 😂😂

Paddy would often tell me if Chris phoned him to say that he was playing up front for Palace when they had injuries.

Straight down the bookie's and bet on Chrissie to score the first goal.

Bookie's would give the odds for Chris as a defender 😀😀

Post 65489 by Jeremy on Sunday, 8 October 2017 08:00 PM

It's a pity you couldn't have one of those vote options with immediate feedback as an option on the site !
Like premiership survival or enjoying Martinez type football !
Of course many want both , me included , but given a straight one on one option I ....... I want to see Martinez type football first and firemost rather than boring Premiership survival football !
From many posts I've seen , today's Swans are not what the majority of our supporters want to continue to see !?
Which begs the question continue with boring PC and continued survival which our owners would love or my preference Get PC to "get on board and really be a part of Swansea City " or get in somebody who understands the template !
To be honest accepting that MLaudrup got bored and appethetic maybe just maybe he would like to come back and put that one to rights ! ..... No chance of that with HJenkins in charge but I , like many , are just dreamers !

Joe replied on Sunday, 8 October 2017 09:49 PM
It’s the premier league, not premiership, we’ve only been in it 7 seasons so far, we’ll do another few seasons I reckon

billy saltings replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 01:09 AM
Nonsene post jeremy, remind me not to read any,more of your garbage.

Hugh Williams replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 12:31 PM

He's one of many who don't know the name of the league we play in. On C Coleman's TV story we even had Gabby calling it the premiership. As did a certain R Keane on a recent program. These people are paid and still can't get it right (is it rite or write).

Joe replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 02:13 PM
And its programme :-)

DaiMaerdy replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 05:33 PM
And IT'S programme,(short for IT IS). That'll teach you to be a clever clogs. People in glass houses should keep their Y Fronts on.

Post 65488 by Mark (Jack) London on Saturday, 7 October 2017 11:55 PM

Eight senior players were away on international duty.

Bony didn't play at all, and is first back with the squad.

Ki got 27 mins tonight. I think he'll get some more minutes on Tuesday vs Morocco in Switzerland.

McB played for Scots U23s against Tammy on Friday.

Nordefldt and Olson unused subs. Sweden play the Dutch on Tuesday.

Fabs unused sub on Thursday. Poland play again tomorrow.

I think the 8th player away must be Sanches for the Portuguese U21s, who play Tuesday.

Sid replied on Sunday, 8 October 2017 09:52 AM
Think they included Ayew but he wasn't called up.

Post 65487 by Gethin hughes on Saturday, 7 October 2017 09:56 PM

I saw Charlton and if I remember ivory also at herbies testimonial

G replied on Saturday, 7 October 2017 10:03 PM
That should read ivor

Post 65486 by Leighton on Saturday, 7 October 2017 04:32 PM

I was thinking this morning of my feeling of disconnect to the club since the sale.

I was thinking I should probably look beyond the sneaky way in which it was sold and forget the regrettable stance of the Trust thru the whole hopeless episode.
For the first time since the petty era I thought 'sod the owner/s THEY don't OWN scfc they're just temporary guardians. Pretend like they don't exist I was thinking.

And then...

...I see the Trust are holding a fans forum and Huw Jenkins is their guest speaker.! FF'S.!!!!

It makes me sick, it makes me makes me feel even more disconnected to the club.

Well eff off then"..some of you will say.

Fair enough, but what gets me is I used to be the almost archetype super-fan. Always singing and cheering and suppprting the boys in white. Always spending over and beyond at the ground and club shop, always with the mindset that I was almost donating to a charity, helping as much as I could.

Now, It really has become hard to feel passionate and support like I used when the people at the top are there purely to milk the club.

I feel robbed....robbed of my club.

Jon replied on Saturday, 7 October 2017 04:52 PM
The Trust are damned if they do and damned if they don’t, to be fair to Huw, it takes balls to face a bear pit that may well be hostile.
The point is, and it’s been said on here many times, the sale wasn’t the issue, it’s the way he and 10 others excluded the Trust from that sale.
It’ll be an interesting night that’s for sure.

Biff replied on Saturday, 7 October 2017 05:11 PM
It won't be "interesting" tho Jon will it?!

No-one is gonna question HJ with the manager/Trundle and most frustratingly 'The Trust" at his side.!!

DDWT replied on Saturday, 7 October 2017 05:55 PM
Biff - the Trust aren't holding a Fans Forum.... the Ceredigion Jacks are.

The Trust are supporting and providing the Ceredigion Jacks with assistance for the event in order to help them grow their fan base (and the Swans) in mid-Wales = it is in not a Supporters' Trust event.

Dai replied on Saturday, 7 October 2017 06:16 PM
Great idea to try and grow our support.
With the shop opening today we seem to be getting our act together off the pitch.
What we need now is a decent manager,notnthe one we have now who is boring the pants off everyone
With his team selections and stupid formations
Talking to a Derby fan last year when Clement become our manager.
He said he prepared to be bored to death and he is not wrong

Ponty jack replied on Saturday, 7 October 2017 07:56 PM
Biff you are angry because you have bought into a false narrative. This is that the Trust have been hard done by. After 14 years the Trust has no money with 7 years in the richest league in the world dripping in wads of cash. Something not quite right there. Until recently they apparently had no intention of selling. With catastrophic possibility of relegation never far away this was clearly unwise. The world moved on without them and now they are keen to do the sensible thing and accumulate cash and hedge their bets and sell half their shares. The US guys and HJ will exchange their holding for hard cash. This is common sense. The initial anger of the Trust has been replaced by an acceptance that what is happening is logical and for the best and they cannot have 21% holding with no cash to match invest. A smaller holding allows a more active input. Many fans see things in black and white and I have to question if such a approach is suitable for football club management where conflicts of interests are worked out together. The bile coming out from forums suggest fans belong nowhere near management positions. The Members however showed good sense. Pragmatism is required as things can go wrong and often do. The Trust has found an active role and wants to invest in the future and stadium expansion for example and not just tag along for the ride. This a a good result. All that needs to happen is that the club stays in the PL. Things could look a lot better if Sanches and Bony hit their straps.

Jack London replied on Saturday, 7 October 2017 09:50 PM
Biff - it's not a charity, it's a private company. One which:
- has a supporter director on the board
- subsidises fans tickets for away matches to make it affordable for less well off supporters to travel
- has created an academy to develop young talent
- is largely debt free
- has some of the best facilities for supporters with disabilities in the country
So it's not all bad is it? In fact most supporters of most other clubs in this country would say that we are still a role model when it comes to putting values before profit and they would be proud if their club did half of what the Swans do.

The question is - would people be complaining half as much if we were enjoying more success on the pitch? Is that what it comes down to at the end of the day - all of the above doesn't count for a hill of beans as long as we aren't performing the way we all want? Or are you such a purist that even if we were doing the double over Man Utd and chasing a. Top 6 spot and doing all of the above you would still be feeling the bile rise into your throat because of your disgust at a transaction that frankly none of us really fully understand?

There's always the option of going down to Carmarthen on a Saturday afternoon, playing a round of golf and then coming on here to post some snide comments to wind up those of us who still go to games come rain or shine and will still be here in 10 years wherever the hell we are playing.

Jack 61 replied on Saturday, 7 October 2017 10:19 PM

There's no question that many many fans are feeling the same way as you have expressed in your post.

Then seemingly to rub salt in the wound people like Ponty and Jack London come on here and imply that it's great that we've got a club being run for profit.
Things will change, and within a year or two, when the money has gone, they and the small number who think like them will disappear and we will all feel more invigorated and passionate about the club once again.

I also can't help thinking that the all seeing Ponty Jack is not engendering enthusiasm for the club, and his bosses should by now have recognised his sell by date.

Jack London replied on Saturday, 7 October 2017 10:38 PM
Jack61 - first game I remember being at was Workington at the Vetch but that wasn't my first game by a long shot. I have been following the Swans ever since, home and away. I don't come on here to rub salt in anyone's wounds but just to say get a grip to all those people who post saying the world has ended because of a share dealing. What did you expect - that HJ and the others who put their houses on the line would continue to risk their investment - their kids future - season after season in order to keep everything pure and virginal like some kind of fairytale? Get a grip.

Out of interest, how muc did you donate to the young man from the club who ran a half marathon for our Downs Syndrome team? I was the only member of this Guestbook who even bothered to acknowledge his post. But who cares about the good stuff the club does when you can wallow in self pity hey?

Jack 61 replied on Saturday, 7 October 2017 11:52 PM
Jack London

Don't confuse a justifiable lack of enthusiasm with self pity, they are two different things entirely.

Ponty jack replied on Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:40 AM
Logical arguments I have made are an independent response to sub prime forum insulting references to the club and its management at times of poor results. The problem for the keyboard warriors laying into the old board is that the Trust has voted overwhelmingly to sell part of their holding to HJ and the US guys. Arguement lost and disillusionment naturally follows such a humiliation at the ballot box. Thats life.

Jon replied on Sunday, 8 October 2017 01:12 AM
Suckled off yes, but we are Swansea City all the same, it pisses me off that we don’t appreciate what a mamouth tast jenkins et al done to get us here, they put money in when we were a basket case of a club and sold us for mega bucks, would you prefer that we didn’t go on that journey?

Thinkfuckingon ffs

Jack 61 replied on Sunday, 8 October 2017 02:14 AM

The journey was happening before they sold out, and they received the mega bucks not the club.
Our problems have accumulated since that moment.
The fans are just beginning to realise they've been duped, not only by the old board, but by the Americans as well, this is leading to a loss of identity, passion, and enthusiasm. and these form an essential part in providing the 'sizzle' that sells football on both local and global stages.

bronwen replied on Sunday, 8 October 2017 03:54 AM
Jack 61,
Sorry you have had your ass kicked by reasonable argument,
Both ponty and jack london talk with reason and sense.

All you spout is the same bile over and over and over, no matter have many times you spout, it still dosent become the truth.
Now off you go, play your golf or watch glais stiffs, or work overtime.

Mg replied on Sunday, 8 October 2017 08:09 AM
"sub prime forum insulting references to the club and its management at times of poor results.". That ponty has to be biggest ***** post of the year pal. And what everyone on the forum knows bar you and dai is we have a weaker football squad than last season that might well see us relegated and for that uncle huw and the usa guys need to take responsibility for.

Dai replied on Sunday, 8 October 2017 10:34 AM
Mg any team that loses a player like siggy would be weaker,but he wanted to go.
As for the poor results I think it's down to poor team selection and negative tactics.
And there is only one person to blame for that

Jon replied on Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:01 PM
We’ve got to take the rough with the smooth, it’s not always going to be plain sailing and some are ready to chuck in the towel as soon as we hit choppy water
Bif says questions wont be asked of Huw Jenkins, well here’s the thing, why not turn up and make sure they are asked. I’m sure Huw knows he’s in for an uncomfortable night but I just don’t get all the big mouths saying it’ll be a patsy. Be there, or are you washing your hair?

Biff replied on Sunday, 8 October 2017 01:51 PM
Jack 61,

I would rather sit/stand on the terraces next to you than Jack London, ponty or Jon.

Their arrogance is laughable.

bronwen replied on Sunday, 8 October 2017 03:32 PM
Yes, for sure bif and 61 fire insults from the same computer,
We know you are andrews whipping boys along with the tossers who decided to play golf, work overtime, and the illiterate brown nose who decided to feck about with glais 2nds.....

Biff replied on Sunday, 8 October 2017 06:27 PM

Any chance you can confirm bronwen is talking thru his backside regarding Andrew using my pc?

Jon replied on Monday, 9 October 2017 08:52 AM
Bif, don't put me in the same box as Ponty, please, I rarely agree with him but I do keep an open mind on most things Swansea City, if that doesn't suit your agenda, then that's not my problem.
As I've said, you say that the Forum will be a patsy and searching questions won't be asked, what I have replied is that if you feel that strongly about it then why not turn up and ask those searching questions?

Post 65485 by Pumpy on Saturday, 7 October 2017 04:15 PM

Ok, I need an answer off a SwanSuperfan, I’m 63 years old and have a recollection of watching Bobby Charlton playing down the Vetch field, I think it was a testimonial, possibly Herbie Williams am I right or did I dream it ?

Herbie replied on Saturday, 7 October 2017 07:21 PM
I was at that testimonial and am pretty sure you are right.

Herbie replied on Saturday, 7 October 2017 07:47 PM
Maybe not! Must have been another game.

G replied on Saturday, 7 October 2017 10:01 PM
It was that game and ivor and Charlton hit a couple of screamers

Wayne Arthur replied on Saturday, 7 October 2017 10:08 PM
How about 1959 Swans 4 Man U 6, friendly because both sides were knocked out of the cup?

Ron Griffiths replied on Saturday, 7 October 2017 11:28 PM
I was there it was not long after the Munich air disaster and when the teams took to the field led out by Matt Busby , the whole ground applauded . Yes it was 4-6 to Utd , As far as I can recall it was just a friendly to help Man U re-establish a severely depleted squad . For younger readers they lost some amazing players in that air disaster .

Post 65484 by SeaJack on Saturday, 7 October 2017 01:46 PM

With the Swans currently in the mire, these Welsh international games are a breath of fresh air. I'm looking forward to Monday's game with a degree of optimism that I used to feel for the Swans not so long ago. Anything can happen admittedly but to feel this is a much more enjoyable way to watch a game than the depressing oppressive feelings about the Swans. So for the moment at least there is some respite from the Premier League offerings served up so far. So for now COW.

Ponty jack replied on Saturday, 7 October 2017 08:02 PM
Even better if Dan James, Rodon, Jack Evans. Aaron Lewis and Liam Cullen make the full SCFC and Wales squads down the line.

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